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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Damian on Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:21 pm

nrocha20 wrote:Really its our fucking govenments fault for getting involved in EVERY conflict that has ever, or will ever happen.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:47 pm

Well, the two reasons for this war is due to two things, A. September 11th, duh. And B., the Monroe doctrine. And I think that we belong over there, we should finish what we started. And all of you against the war, the soldiers over there weren't forced to go, they volunteered. The draft is gone. And, there is always information that we aren't told, so there is probably a deeper purpose of us being there than you would think. Also there are weapons of mass destruction there. We also have to help them reform their government. Also, when the 9/11 attack happened 90% of America agreed with Bush on going to war. Obviously some people forgot that thousands of people were killed.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by darkmage94 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:32 pm

agreed , i dont like our reasons as much for entering the war, but while we're there we might as well finish wat we started
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:41 pm

Oh, so avenging thousands of lives isn't a good reason? So we shouldn't have entered WWII either? Or WWI with the Lusitania? Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the lusitania are pretty similar. Yeah, attacks on our country are "horrible" reasons for war.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Shift on Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:42 pm

why the fuck do all these threads turn into flame wars.

cant some people just keep the sarcasm and shit to a minimum?
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:44 pm

If it is that irritating to you, then don't read it. It's annoying having people randomly interrupt a good debate.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by darkmage94 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:55 pm

thats not wat i ment
have you played Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2
If youve done the mission called "No russians" Ull see wat i mean. For those of you who havent played the game the story is this
You play as "roach" a U.S soldier who is also in the CIA, who is infiltrating a Russian terrorist group. You go to the moscow airport and light up a bunch of civvies and trashing the airport, the leader of the terrorist finds out your caver and knocks you out, you are discovered by the russian police, and america is blamed over the attack. Russia enraged attacks th U.S

L:ike in the plot these guys could have been acting on their own and steps were taken even tho the "mother country" was not responsible.
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:01 pm

darkmage94 wrote:thats not wat i ment
have you played Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2
If youve done the mission called "No russians" Ull see wat i mean. For those of you who havent played the game the story is this
You play as "roach" a U.S soldier who is also in the CIA, who is infiltrating a Russian terrorist group. You go to the moscow airport and light up a bunch of civvies and trashing the airport, the leader of the terrorist finds out your caver and knocks you out, you are discovered by the russian police, and america is blamed over the attack. Russia enraged attacks th U.S

L:ike in the plot these guys could have been acting on their own and steps were taken even tho the "mother country" was not responsible.

Oh, video games are always great resources for information. And, with the examples I mentioned they were part of groups and carrying out orders. The Lusitnia was taken down by orders of the German military. Pearl Harbor, the Japanese army. 9/11 Al queeda.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Sirrin Nacht on Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:35 pm

HAWKEYE44 wrote:Well, the two reasons for this war is due to two things, A. September 11th, duh. And B., the Monroe doctrine. And I think that we belong over there, we should finish what we started. And all of you against the war, the soldiers over there weren't forced to go, they volunteered. The draft is gone. And, there is always information that we aren't told, so there is probably a deeper purpose of us being there than you would think. Also there are weapons of mass destruction there. We also have to help them reform their government. Also, when the 9/11 attack happened 90% of America agreed with Bush on going to war. Obviously some people forgot that thousands of people were killed.

September 11th was the the reason we went to war in Afghanistan, not Iraq. And as I mentioned previously, Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda had a strong mutual dislike of each other, and there was no Al Qaeda presence in Iraq prior to the invasion. Saddam Hussein was a wretched dictator, but he had nothing to do 9/11. Also, the intelligence claiming there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was proven to be erroneous quite a while ago, and if Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction at his disposal, why did he not use them when on us when we invaded? He had nothing left to lose at that point by doing so.


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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Shift on Thu Nov 12, 2009 12:37 am

*sigh* gus, Dark was just giving an analogy. it deosnt matter how unrealistc games are. it has nothing to do with an analogy
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:59 am

Remember what I said about the monroe doctrine? Look it up, it makes sense if you read it. an Riku, who is Gus? And you remind me of Benvolio from Romeo and Juliet.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Shift on Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:44 am

lol, whoops, typo.

I meant to say guys
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:52 am

Okay, just checking, now back to the debate please Very Happy

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Klimactic on Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:22 pm

HAWKEYE44 wrote:Oh, so avenging thousands of lives isn't a good reason? So we shouldn't have entered WWII either? Or WWI with the Lusitania? Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the Lusitania are pretty similar. Yeah, attacks on our country are "horrible" reasons for war.

I simply love this post of yours, Hawk.
Oh, and don't forget all the insane incidents in Britain. I think more a total of people died there by now, and also considering the constant terrorist activity out in western U.S....

In short, we really to kick their asses every time they kick ours and back us the corner. It's called self-defense. We are not striking back without having a good reason...this isn't nation-wide bullying, this is lethal shit.
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:50 pm

Thank you midget, at least someone understands. We can't just sit back and watch our country be destroyed. We have to take action!

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Shift on Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:39 pm

Im pretty sure japan wouldn't have been able to destroy us Neutral no matter how many bombing runs they made. The American Mafia would be enough Very Happy



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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:41 am

Well, of course, they would be in unknown territory, that's one of the reasons that most of America's wars take a long time. We aren't in our own territory, but in foreign countries. The Japanese new their land and used that to their advantage.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Shift on Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:23 am

Iwo Jima had like the power of an entire country.....When i read a book about Iwo Jima :O

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:47 pm

Yeah, like I said they used their land to their advantage. But, we were just too strong for them.

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by nrocha20 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:30 pm

Evilmidget wrote:considering the constant terrorist activity out in western U.S.....

...What the fuck are you babling on about?


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Post by Shift on Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:21 pm

wait a sec. Terroist activity in the wester U.s?
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by HAWKEYE44 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:51 pm

[quote="nrocha20"]
Evilmidget wrote:
HAWKEYE44 wrote:considering the constant terrorist activity out in western U.S.....

...What the fuck are you babling on about?

I didn't write that, evilmidget did, why are you quoting me as saying that?

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Re: The Iraq War

Post by Klimactic on Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:02 pm

If you know me, I don't say f**k.
Now fix that fucking quote Wink !

I was talking about some random things happening out by Nevada (There is no reference to Area 51, OK?), like some people trying to break into Nellis AFB.
There is also the crap in Washington D.C....
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Re: The Iraq War

Post by nrocha20 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:43 pm

HAWKEYE44 wrote:I didn't write that, evilmidget did, why are you quoting me as saying that?

Woops. Mai bad. Fixed.

Evilmidget wrote:I was talking about some random things happening out by Nevada (There is no reference to Area 51, OK?), like some people trying to break into Nellis AFB.
There is also the crap in Washington D.C....

...OK. One, Washington D.C. is in EASTERN United States. And two, I live in the West part of the USA, and trust me, not much out of the ordinary is going on. There is little to NO terrorist activity here, zip, zilch, nada, non-existant, not fucking here. Hell it be fucking amazing if someone Hijacks a plane some time next dacade just to be a terrorist WANNABE. I'll admit, there is a lot of crime going on, but little to no acts of terrorism.

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Post by HAWKEYE44 on Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:57 pm

Yeah, there has been more terrorism in the East than the West.

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